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== "⚙" (&amp#x2699; Gear)? ==

Instead of "✣" (&#x2723;, [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2723/index.htm Four Balloon-Spoked Asterisk]) I wonder if "⚙" (&amp#x2699; [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2699/index.htm Gear]) might be a more appropriate mark. The question is how many people have the character supported on their systems, which I don't know. It shows up fine for me on my current system. To anyone reading this, do you see it fine? It should show up at least for people with a DejaVu family font, EversonMono, FreeSerif, GNU Unifont, or Symbola installed. —[[User:Undomelin|Undomelin]] [[User_talk:Undomelin|✉]] 15:44, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

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	: Where the less-than had been does indeed seem to be the dividing point—words above get found and words below appear to be excluded from search results. For example, the word "spat" shortly before turns up in a search, but the word "hatches" right after does not. I had an idea that maybe even &lt; was throwing off something by getting improperly rendered to a less-than during some indexing process, causing everything after to get get discarded when sent to the search index, but changing the <3 (&lt;3) to &hearts; (&hearts;) didn't help. Weird. Seems like there must be some sort of caching going on that doesn't seem to get flushed. I wonder if it's also somehow an interaction with the circumstance that it was in a section title—it's imaginable that section titles get saved to some record that normal text doesn't, which can fail to get updated even when the outputted page reflects the update fine.—[[User:Undomelin\|Undomelin]] [[User_talk:Undomelin\|✉]] 05:32, June 18, 2013 (UTC)		: Where the less-than had been does indeed seem to be the dividing point—words above get found and words below appear to be excluded from search results. For example, the word "spat" shortly before turns up in a search, but the word "hatches" right after does not. I had an idea that maybe even &lt; was throwing off something by getting improperly rendered to a less-than during some indexing process, causing everything after to get get discarded when sent to the search index, but changing the <3 (&lt;3) to &hearts; (&hearts;) didn't help. Weird. Seems like there must be some sort of caching going on that doesn't seem to get flushed. I wonder if it's also somehow an interaction with the circumstance that it was in a section title—it's imaginable that section titles get saved to some record that normal text doesn't, which can fail to get updated even when the outputted page reflects the update fine.—[[User:Undomelin\|Undomelin]] [[User_talk:Undomelin\|✉]] 05:32, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
		+	::This will probably fix itself when Wikia rebuilds its search index. Don't know how often they do it but it may take a few days. [[User:Tarvek\|Tarvek]] ([[User talk:Tarvek\|talk]]) 16:30, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

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−	== "⚙" (&amp#x2699; Gear)? ==	+	== "⚙" (&#x2699; Gear)? ==

−	Instead of "✣" (&#x2723;, [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2723/index.htm Four Balloon-Spoked Asterisk]) I wonder if "⚙" (&amp#x2699; [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2699/index.htm Gear]) might be a more appropriate mark. The question is how many people have the character supported on their systems, which I don't know. It shows up fine for me on my current system. To anyone reading this, do you see it fine? It should show up at least for people with a DejaVu family font, EversonMono, FreeSerif, GNU Unifont, or Symbola installed. —[[User:Undomelin\|Undomelin]] [[User_talk:Undomelin\|✉]] 15:44, June 18, 2013 (UTC)	+	Instead of "✣" (&#x2723;, [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2723/index.htm Four Balloon-Spoked Asterisk]) I wonder if "⚙" (&#x2699; [http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2699/index.htm Gear]) might be a more appropriate mark. The question is how many people have the character supported on their systems, which I don't know. It shows up fine for me on my current system. To anyone reading this, do you see it fine? It should show up at least for people with a DejaVu family font, EversonMono, FreeSerif, GNU Unifont, or Symbola installed. —[[User:Undomelin\|Undomelin]] [[User_talk:Undomelin\|✉]] 15:44, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

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-[[File:Tarvek_Watch.png|right|]][[Tarvek Sturmvoraus|Tarvek]], master artificer, student of Van Rijn notes, builder of muse like clanks, has a mirror that appears from the back to be a watch.
+[[File:Tarvek_Watch.png|right|]][[Tarvek Sturmvoraus|Tarvek]], master artificer, student of Van Rijn notes, builder of muse-like clanks, has a mirror that appears from the back to be a watch.
 Ever wonder what else his watch can do?
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 |style="background:gold"|How to get to [[Mechanicsburg]] from [[Sturmhalten]]<br />[[File:Pocketwatch Transformer|320px]]
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 In that scene, the device in Tarvek's hand probably ''was ''a mirror in a pocketwatch, and nothing more. He just told the spy that he uses it to unobtrusively watch what is going on behind him. Right after the spy leaves, Tarvek states that if he wants to sneak up on someone, he should not come via the sewers. From that we can assume that it was not the pocketwatch that detected the spy, but Tarvek's own sense of smell. -by Someone Who has Not Yet Registered
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	''Two and a half years?!?! ''AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Hmmm.... where are Zeetha and Higgs now, I wonder? What has changed? [[User:HeterodyneGirl\|HeterodyneGirl]] ([[User talk:HeterodyneGirl\|talk]]) 16:37, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		''Two and a half years?!?! ''AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Hmmm.... where are Zeetha and Higgs now, I wonder? What has changed? [[User:HeterodyneGirl\|HeterodyneGirl]] ([[User talk:HeterodyneGirl\|talk]]) 16:37, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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		+	: If Gil is the current Baron, then Higgs and Zeetha should have no trouble becoming part of his staff. He knows them both and knows Higgs as a Wulfenbach airman. My question remains: has Zeetha told Gil she is his sister? [[User:AndyAB99\|AndyAB99]] ([[User talk:AndyAB99\|talk]]) 14:37, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

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 In that scene, the device in Tarvek's hand probably ''was ''a mirror in a pocketwatch, and nothing more. He just told the spy that he uses it to unobtrusively watch what is going on behind him. Right after the spy leaves, Tarvek states that if he wants to sneak up on someone, he should not come via the sewers. From that we can assume that it was not the pocketwatch that detected the spy, but Tarvek's own sense of smell. -by Someone Who has Not Yet Registered

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	If we can't find the issue we should ask Wikia support for help. [[User:Argadi\|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi\|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		If we can't find the issue we should ask Wikia support for help. [[User:Argadi\|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi\|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

−	Where the less-than had been does indeed seem to be the dividing point—words above get found and words below appear to be excluded from search results. For example, the word "spat" shortly before turns up in a search, but the word "hatches" right after does not. I had an idea that maybe even &lt; was throwing off something by getting improperly rendered to a less-than during some indexing process, causing everything after to get get discarded when sent to the search index, but changing the <3 (&lt;3) to &hearts; (&hearts;) didn't help. Weird. Seems like there must be some sort of caching going on that doesn't seem to get flushed. I wonder if it's also somehow an interaction with the circumstance that it was in a section title—it's imaginable that section titles get saved to some record that normal text doesn't, which can fail to get updated even when the outputted page reflects the update fine.—[[User:Undomelin\|Undomelin]] [[User_talk:Undomelin\|✉]] 05:32, June 18, 2013 (UTC)	+	: Where the less-than had been does indeed seem to be the dividing point—words above get found and words below appear to be excluded from search results. For example, the word "spat" shortly before turns up in a search, but the word "hatches" right after does not. I had an idea that maybe even &lt; was throwing off something by getting improperly rendered to a less-than during some indexing process, causing everything after to get get discarded when sent to the search index, but changing the <3 (&lt;3) to &hearts; (&hearts;) didn't help. Weird. Seems like there must be some sort of caching going on that doesn't seem to get flushed. I wonder if it's also somehow an interaction with the circumstance that it was in a section title—it's imaginable that section titles get saved to some record that normal text doesn't, which can fail to get updated even when the outputted page reflects the update fine.—[[User:Undomelin\|Undomelin]] [[User_talk:Undomelin\|✉]] 05:32, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

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	If we can't find the issue we should ask Wikia support for help. [[User:Argadi\|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi\|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		If we can't find the issue we should ask Wikia support for help. [[User:Argadi\|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi\|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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		+	Where the less-than had been does indeed seem to be the dividing point—words above get found and words below appear to be excluded from search results. For example, the word "spat" shortly before turns up in a search, but the word "hatches" right after does not. I had an idea that maybe even &lt; was throwing off something by getting improperly rendered to a less-than during some indexing process, causing everything after to get get discarded when sent to the search index, but changing the <3 (&lt;3) to &hearts; (&hearts;) didn't help. Weird. Seems like there must be some sort of caching going on that doesn't seem to get flushed. I wonder if it's also somehow an interaction with the circumstance that it was in a section title—it's imaginable that section titles get saved to some record that normal text doesn't, which can fail to get updated even when the outputted page reflects the update fine.—[[User:Undomelin\|Undomelin]] [[User_talk:Undomelin\|✉]] 05:32, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

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	::Barring the existance of an iAxis in the Girl Genius Universe, this seems more likely than my guess. -- [[User:Billy Catringer\|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer\|talk]]) 14:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		::Barring the existance of an iAxis in the Girl Genius Universe, this seems more likely than my guess. -- [[User:Billy Catringer\|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer\|talk]]) 14:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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		+	:::Yes, if the "5" meant M-burg was getting warped/ stasis-ed 5 years into the future, it ''does'' make some sense that the merry crowd dropped through the portal halfway through it. Note though that this doesn't say anything about being able to physically time travel into the past, although we do know it's possible to open a 2-way window to exchange, at least, audiovisual info with the past. And physics tells us, if information can travel into the past, anything can.
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		+	:::However, I think the suggestion that Gil on the rooftop came from another time is very much a stretch. His appearance there fit well into the story as it went. [[User:Tarvek\|Tarvek]] ([[User talk:Tarvek\|talk]]) 23:48, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

	: Hopefully the next few pages are filled with an information dump. What has been going on for 2.5 years? Also Agatha get a change of wardrobe. [[User:Bourgeois rage\|Bourgeois rage]] ([[User talk:Bourgeois rage\|talk]]) 12:07, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		: Hopefully the next few pages are filled with an information dump. What has been going on for 2.5 years? Also Agatha get a change of wardrobe. [[User:Bourgeois rage\|Bourgeois rage]] ([[User talk:Bourgeois rage\|talk]]) 12:07, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

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 : Hopefully the next few pages are filled with an information dump. What has been going on for 2.5 years? Also Agatha get a change of wardrobe. [[User:Bourgeois rage|Bourgeois rage]] ([[User talk:Bourgeois rage|talk]]) 12:07, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 Remember that [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130522 question mark girl] said that she thought Tweedle was lost like everone else in Mechanicsberg. So my guess is the city will remain lost for the next 2.5 years. So the party is 100 kilometers and 2.5 years from Mechanicsberg.13:18, June 17, 2013 (UTC)[[User:FlyingSpanner|FlyingSpanner]] ([[User talk:FlyingSpanner|talk]])
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-'''Location:''' Somewhere.
+'''Location:''' The Refuge of Storms.
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+|characters=Agatha, Violetta, Krosp, weasel
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+|names_used=Martellus, Mechanicsburg, Sturmhalten
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+|quotes="All right.  Out with it.  We've lost what?  Six months?"<br />"No."
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+|actions=Agatha cleans herself up while Violetta and Krosp bring her up to date on what they've learned.
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 : I don't think Mechanicsburg could have been shifted into the past. There's a generic problem with sending something to the past—there's already something where you want to go, and that applies double for something as large as Mechanicsburg. I think a "slow drag into the future" (a stasis as others have mentioned in discussing the comic) makes more sense. Five years does now sound like a good interpretation for the "5" on the [[Black Level Item]]. [[User:Argadi|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 ::But you have forgotten the iAxis, my dear Argadi. Surely [[Mechanicsburg]] was shifted along the iAxis in a positive or negative direction as well as having been shifted along the time axis by 2.5 years. No doubt that would put it safely out of the reach of everyone. -- [[User:Billy Catringer|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer|talk]]) 13:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 :::I'm with Argadi, I think the time slowdown in M-burg now appears the most likely explanation.  Something along the lines of one year per second.  Or five years per second, if the number "5" on Klaus's device at all figures in the explanation.
-:::The portal confuses me a bit, though.  Why did they keep it open on the receiving end, and why did it melt when it did?  Any ideas? [[User:Tarvek|Tarvek]] ([[User talk:Tarvek|talk]]) 14:15, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
+::: I'm with Argadi, I think the time slowdown in M-burg now appears the most likely explanation.  Something along the lines of one year per second.  Or five years per second, if the number "5" on Klaus's device at all figures in the explanation.
 :::: Perhaps they kept it going because they couldn't shut it down, or perhaps some strange readings were coming from the portal during that time. I'm thinking that the Knights of Jove know more than we know at this point. Tweedle killed [[The Blonde Question]] before we found more information out. Speaking of her, even though she submitted to Tweedle fairly quickly, she didn't hesitate to poison him. Don't bet that Tweedle really has total control over [[The Refuge of Storms]], just yet.
 :::: Also, I'm thinking it melted down after they got through because whatever the black level device did also killed the portal, but its effect was also delayed like Agatha's travel time. So it took them 2.5 years to get through and they were being chased by the destructive force the whole time. [[User:Bourgeois rage|Bourgeois rage]] ([[User talk:Bourgeois rage|talk]]) 14:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 : Another problem with the concept of Mechanicsburg being sent into the past is that somebody would remember would remember that Klaus had mysteriously appeared two and a half years ago.  It seems more likely that Agatha & Co. got sent 2.5 years into the future, and Mechanicsburg got sent 5 years into the future, since Agatha went into the portal about halfway through.  Also, it is possible that Gil sent himself (or Klaus sent him) into the past during the Siege of Mechanicsburg.  Either the Gil on the rooftop or the Gil on the airship would have been a time traveler.  [[User:Super88|Super88]] ([[User talk:Super88|talk]]) 10:54, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 ::Barring the existance of an iAxis in the Girl Genius Universe, this seems more likely than my guess. -- [[User:Billy Catringer|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer|talk]]) 14:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 : Hopefully the next few pages are filled with an information dump. What has been going on for 2.5 years? Also Agatha get a change of wardrobe. [[User:Bourgeois rage|Bourgeois rage]] ([[User talk:Bourgeois rage|talk]]) 12:07, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 Remember that [http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130522 question mark girl] said that she thought Tweedle was lost like everone else in Mechanicsberg. So my guess is the city will remain lost for the next 2.5 years. So the party is 100 kilometers and 2.5 years from Mechanicsberg.13:18, June 17, 2013 (UTC)[[User:FlyingSpanner|FlyingSpanner]] ([[User talk:FlyingSpanner|talk]])
 === Slick's search for Agatha ===
 This morning I realized that Slick should really have known that "No trouble whatsoever" was the wrong answer. In the three days they have been searching they haven't seen Agatha or Violetta either. [[User:Argadi|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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	: I don't think Mechanicsburg could have been shifted into the past. There's a generic problem with sending something to the past—there's already something where you want to go, and that applies double for something as large as Mechanicsburg. I think a "slow drag into the future" (a stasis as others have mentioned in discussing the comic) makes more sense. Five years does now sound like a good interpretation for the "5" on the [[Black Level Item]]. [[User:Argadi\|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi\|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		: I don't think Mechanicsburg could have been shifted into the past. There's a generic problem with sending something to the past—there's already something where you want to go, and that applies double for something as large as Mechanicsburg. I think a "slow drag into the future" (a stasis as others have mentioned in discussing the comic) makes more sense. Five years does now sound like a good interpretation for the "5" on the [[Black Level Item]]. [[User:Argadi\|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi\|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
		+	::But you have forgotten the iAxis, my dear Argadi. Surely [[Mechanicsburg]] was shifted along the iAxis in a positive or negative direction as well as having been shifted along the time axis by 2.5 years. No doubt that would put it safely out of the reach of everyone. -- [[Special:Contributions/199.187.250.65\|199.187.250.65]] 13:57, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

	: Another problem with the concept of Mechanicsburg being sent into the past is that somebody would remember would remember that Klaus had mysteriously appeared two and a half years ago. It seems more likely that Agatha & Co. got sent 2.5 years into the future, and Mechanicsburg got sent 5 years into the future, since Agatha went into the portal about halfway through. Also, it is possible that Gil sent himself (or Klaus sent him) into the past during the Siege of Mechanicsburg. Either the Gil on the rooftop or the Gil on the airship would have been a time traveler. [[User:Super88\|Super88]] ([[User talk:Super88\|talk]]) 10:54, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		: Another problem with the concept of Mechanicsburg being sent into the past is that somebody would remember would remember that Klaus had mysteriously appeared two and a half years ago. It seems more likely that Agatha & Co. got sent 2.5 years into the future, and Mechanicsburg got sent 5 years into the future, since Agatha went into the portal about halfway through. Also, it is possible that Gil sent himself (or Klaus sent him) into the past during the Siege of Mechanicsburg. Either the Gil on the rooftop or the Gil on the airship would have been a time traveler. [[User:Super88\|Super88]] ([[User talk:Super88\|talk]]) 10:54, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

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	: Another problem with the concept of Mechanicsburg being sent into the past is that somebody would remember would remember that Klaus had mysteriously appeared two and a half years ago. It seems more likely that Agatha & Co. got sent 2.5 years into the future, and Mechanicsburg got sent 5 years into the future, since Agatha went into the portal about halfway through. Also, it is possible that Gil sent himself (or Klaus sent him) into the past during the Siege of Mechanicsburg. Either the Gil on the rooftop or the Gil on the airship would have been a time traveler. [[User:Super88\|Super88]] ([[User talk:Super88\|talk]]) 10:54, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		: Another problem with the concept of Mechanicsburg being sent into the past is that somebody would remember would remember that Klaus had mysteriously appeared two and a half years ago. It seems more likely that Agatha & Co. got sent 2.5 years into the future, and Mechanicsburg got sent 5 years into the future, since Agatha went into the portal about halfway through. Also, it is possible that Gil sent himself (or Klaus sent him) into the past during the Siege of Mechanicsburg. Either the Gil on the rooftop or the Gil on the airship would have been a time traveler. [[User:Super88\|Super88]] ([[User talk:Super88\|talk]]) 10:54, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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		+	: Hopefully the next few pages are filled with an information dump. What has been going on for 2.5 years? Also Agatha get a change of wardrobe. [[User:Bourgeois rage\|Bourgeois rage]] ([[User talk:Bourgeois rage\|talk]]) 12:07, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

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	: I don't think Mechanicsburg could have been shifted into the past. There's a generic problem with sending something to the past—there's already something where you want to go, and that applies double for something as large as Mechanicsburg. I think a "slow drag into the future" (a stasis as others have mentioned in discussing the comic) makes more sense. Five years does now sound like a good interpretation for the "5" on the [[Black Level Item]]. [[User:Argadi\|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi\|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		: I don't think Mechanicsburg could have been shifted into the past. There's a generic problem with sending something to the past—there's already something where you want to go, and that applies double for something as large as Mechanicsburg. I think a "slow drag into the future" (a stasis as others have mentioned in discussing the comic) makes more sense. Five years does now sound like a good interpretation for the "5" on the [[Black Level Item]]. [[User:Argadi\|Argadi]] ([[User talk:Argadi\|talk]]) 08:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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		+	: Another problem with the concept of Mechanicsburg being sent into the past is that somebody would remember would remember that Klaus had mysteriously appeared two and a half years ago. It seems more likely that Agatha & Co. got sent 2.5 years into the future, and Mechanicsburg got sent 5 years into the future, since Agatha went into the portal about halfway through. Also, it is possible that Gil sent himself (or Klaus sent him) into the past during the Siege of Mechanicsburg. Either the Gil on the rooftop or the Gil on the airship would have been a time traveler. [[User:Super88\|Super88]] ([[User talk:Super88\|talk]]) 10:54, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

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-So, they're roughly 63 miles or so from Sturmhalten and they are two-and-one-half years in time away from when they were before they encountered the green [[Monolith]]. That is exactly half of what Klaus's {{GG link|20130304|Black-level Item}}'s readout said, so we can assume that it meant five years, not five days, or five weeks, or even five months. The [[Black Level Item]] was calibrated in ''years''. The question that remains is in which direction along the time axis was Agatha & Co. displaced; positive or negative? I am betting that they were shoved into the future. If my guess is correct, then I must also assume that Klaus and all the occupents of Mechanicsburg and [[Mechanicsburg]] itself were shoved thirty months into the past. This means that there is a five year displacement in time between this scene and Mechanicsburg. Anyone else want to have a go at guessing? -- [[User:Billy Catringer|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer|talk]]) 07:43, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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-So, they're roughly 63 miles or so from Sturmhalten and they are two-and-one-half years in time away from when they were before they encountered the green [[Monolith]]. That is exactly half of what Klaus's {{GG link|20130304|Black-level Item}} read so we can assume it meant five years, not five days, or five weeks, or even five months. The black level item was calibrated in ''years''. The question that remains is in which direction along the time axis was Agatha & Co. displaced; positive or negative? I am betting that they were shoved into the future, given that there is a fifty percent chance that I am making the right guess. I must assume that Klaus and all the occupents of Mechanicsburg were shoved thirty months into the past. Anyone else want to have a go at guessing? -- [[User:Billy Catringer|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer|talk]]) 07:43, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
+So, they're roughly 63 miles or so from Sturmhalten and they are two-and-one-half years in time away from when they were before they encountered the green [[Monolith]]. That is exactly half of what Klaus's {{GG link|20130304|Black-level Item}}'s readout said, so we can assume that it meant five years, not five days, or five weeks, or even five months. The [[Black Level Item]] was calibrated in ''years''. The question that remains is in which direction along the time axis was Agatha & Co. displaced; positive or negative? I am betting that they were shoved into the future. If my guess is correct, then I must also assume that Klaus and all the occupents of Mechanicsburg and [[Mechanicsburg]] itself were shoved thirty months into the past. This means that there is a five year displacement in time between this scene and Mechanicsburg. Anyone else want to have a go at guessing? -- [[User:Billy Catringer|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer|talk]]) 07:43, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

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	Not only is the comic in black and white this time, it does not load completely. I'll try again later today. -- [[User:Billy Catringer\|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer\|talk]]) 06:48, June 17, 2013 (UTC)		Not only is the comic in black and white this time, it does not load completely. I'll try again later today. -- [[User:Billy Catringer\|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer\|talk]]) 06:48, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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		+	So, they're roughly 63 miles or so from Sturmhalten and they are two-and-one-half years in time away from when they were before they encountered the green [[Monolith]]. That is exactly half of what Klaus's {{GG link\|20130304\|Black-level Item}} read so we can assume it meant five years, not five days, or five weeks, or even five months. The black level item was calibrated in ''years''. The question that remains is in which direction along the time axis was Agatha & Co. displaced; positive or negative? I am betting that they were shoved into the future, given that there is a fifty percent chance that I am making the right guess. I must assume that Klaus and all the occupents of Mechanicsburg were shoved thirty months into the past. Anyone else want to have a go at guessing? -- [[User:Billy Catringer\|Billy Catringer]] ([[User talk:Billy Catringer\|talk]]) 07:43, June 17, 2013 (UTC)